Heres a little information about suspensions....
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    Heres a little information about suspensions....

    by CRF916 » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:25 pm

    Heres a little information I found about suspensions. It might help to better understand what your bike is saying to you without saying it.

    Suspension Setup Tips

    TROUBLE SHOOTING

    Various tracks or trail systems may require slightly different settings. Changes made in settings

    should be done 1-2 clicks (LS Comp. / Rebound) or 1/4 - 1/2 turn at a time (HS Comp.).

    COMPRESSION:

    Compression damping controls how soft / hard the fork or shock is when compressed. Some

    machines have only a Low Speed Compression adjuster on the shock. The Low Speed

    Compression damping is adjusted by clicks. Other shocks today also have a High Speed

    Compression adjuster in which the damping is adjusted by turns. Low Speed&High Speed

    Compression are terms that relate to how fast the fork or shock is being compressed. High Shaft

    Speed creates more damping and is not necessarily relative to motorcycle speed. High Shaft

    Speeds can be created at low motorcycle speed. Examples of High Shaft Speed obstacles:

    square edged bumps, slap down landings, lipped out jump faces, logs. Examples of Low Shaft

    Speed obstacles: rolling bumps / whoops, steep jump faces.

    REBOUND

    Rebound damping controls how quickly the fork or shock comes back up after being compressed.

    The Rebound damping is usually adjusted by clicks.

    BOTTOMING:

    Is caused by lack of compression damping or too soft of a spring rate. Correct by adjusting the

    compression damping stiffer until bottoming is under control. If you run out of adjustment and

    bottoming still exists consistently, a stiffer spring rate may be necessary. If spring rate is correct,

    too much compression damping is added and harshness is felt in forks then oil level can be

    raised to increase bottoming resistance. (Generally 10cc / 10mm (consult your shop manual for

    oil level ranges).

    SHOCK - Is caused by lack of compression damping or too soft of a spring rate. Correct by

    adjusting the compression damping stiffer until bottoming is under control. Note: If the

    components have a lot of time on them, bottoming or a soft, springy feeling can be an indication

    that a service or rebuild is necessary.

    HEADSHAKE / HARSHNESS:

    FORK - Is generally caused by too much compression damping in the forks. Soften compression

    1-2 clicks. Lighter riders for the size bike you are riding may find it necessary to change to softer

    fork springs. Too much rebound damping can also cause a "packing" situation in which the

    damping holds the forks down in a stiffer area of the travel than is needed. Soften rebound

    damping 1-2 clicks. Other causes can be:

    a) Improper fork installation or binding of the fork.

    b) Improper shock set up which causes the fork to ride too far into the stroke.

    Too much air pressure in your front tire will cause some deflection and harshness feel to

    your forks. We recommend only 11-13 psi of pressure.

    BACK END KICKS SIDE TO SIDE:


    SHOCK - Generally caused by too much compression damping on most types of terrain. Too

    much compression damping on square edge terrain can cause the back end to kick side to side

    and/or lose traction. Also, too much rebound damping will cause this because the back end is

    held down in a stiffer area of the travel which in turn makes it too stiff for the bumps it's hitting

    (packing).

    BACK END KICKS STRAIGHT UP:

    SHOCK - Generally caused by too little or not enough rebound damping. Slow rebound damping

    1-2 clicks. Note: In some applications rebound affects compression damping. Adding too much

    rebound stiffens the shock damping, decreasing rebound too much softens the shock damping.

    VARIOUS TRACKS:

    HARD TERRAIN / BLUE GROOVE TERRAIN


    Generally adjust compression as soft as possible to handle square edges while still having some

    control with bottoming.

    INTERMEDIATE / LOAMY TERRAIN

    Generally adjust a little stiffer for the softer terrain, jump faces and bottoming. Optimum settings

    still should be on the softer side for square edges and rutted corners.

    SOFT / SANDY TERRAIN

    Generally, stiffen compression and rebound. You want the bike to ride on top of the terrain,

    allowing the forks to ride up a little higher.

    ROCKY / ROOTY TERRAIN

    Generally you need compression very soft to absorb the sharp hits. Rebound is generally

    softened to provide a very responsive feel and ride.
    0'6 CRF450XXX

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    belltownjefe
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    by belltownjefe » Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:07 pm

    Good stuff! :D :D :D
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    by MentalMike » Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:34 pm

    Great stuff for the newbies ;)
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    by shorty99 » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:53 pm

    Which way do you turn to soften rebound
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    by motosicko » Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:17 pm

    Hard or slow is clockwise, Soft or fast is ccw.
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    by shorty99 » Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:55 pm

    Thanks, it feels like my front end never grips when corning always whats to jump out of the berm.
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    by charvo » Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:48 am

    Good info. i've been looking for a decent guide like this.

    suspension can be a mystery. My question thou. Is the stock setting a good balance between the front and read suspension for an average weight person?

    the guide should be a sticky too.
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    by sirmish » Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:15 pm

    my front end goes straight up when i jump with a paddle tire on. I'm wondering if I can compensate for that with the clickers or is it just a paddle tire thing.
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    by Asmith » Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:21 pm

    sirmish wrote:my front end goes straight up when i jump with a paddle tire on. I'm wondering if I can compensate for that with the clickers or is it just a paddle tire thing.


    Rotating mass thingy...tap the rear brake slightly.
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    by 124 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:26 am

    ~ wrote:...tap the rear brake slightly.


    Uggghhh...that is Sooooo late 90's!! :roll: :lol:
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    by krisrtch » Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:00 am

    ~ wrote:
    sirmish wrote:my front end goes straight up when i jump with a paddle tire on. I'm wondering if I can compensate for that with the clickers or is it just a paddle tire thing.


    Rotating mass thingy...tap the rear brake slightly.


    Could be body postioning as well when leaving jump face. aka seat bouncing
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    by crf45 » Mon May 17, 2010 11:43 am

    Still a little confused with rebound. (Motosicko wrote "Hard or slow is clockwise, Soft or fast is ccw") lets say the front tire tends to wash out around turns especially if the dirt is a little pebbly and the front end rises too fast off jumps, could rebound settings affect this if so would I want to adjust it harder or softer?
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    by Asmith » Mon May 17, 2010 1:32 pm

    crf45 wrote:Still a little confused with rebound. (Motosicko wrote "Hard or slow is clockwise, Soft or fast is ccw") lets say the front tire tends to wash out around turns especially if the dirt is a little pebbly and the front end rises too fast off jumps, could rebound settings affect this if so would I want to adjust it harder or softer?


    Clockwise on the rebound...Harder...Slowing the speed of the rebound.
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    by crf45 » Tue May 18, 2010 10:42 am

    thanks, I'll give it a try next time out.
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    Re: Heres a little information about suspensions....

    by [email protected] » Thu May 20, 2010 3:55 pm

    CRF916 wrote:Heres a little information I found about suspensions. It might help to better understand what your bike is saying to you without saying it.



    Whicked... Thx!

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