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I'll bet that the Toyota "issue" is a fairy tale, maybe the first one had a freak floormat/accelerator problem with the rest of them money seekers and hysteria stricken missing links.
The latest moron on a 911 tape ignored the operators suggestion to duh stupid, put it in neutral. She repeats it and through gritted teeth says "I'm trying to control the car". BS.
These people don't understand neutral ? How about brakes ? How about the freakin' ignition switch?
I think it's all a lie, just like it was with Audi in the 80's. a horrible ,unthinkable event occured where a woman accidentally mashed the accelerator and killed a toddler, just unthinkable. She told the cops what happened. Next day after speaking to an attorney she changed her story and said "the car did it".
The following weeks suddenly had Audi 5000's lunging about indiscriminatly, mowing over innocent pedestriand and causing napalm like incinerations left and right. BUNK.
It was never,ever duplicated and was a lie. The pathological liars even flirted with saying Accords were doing it too. Audi 5000 (I bought one,great car )sales tanked.
To their credit big time Audi never made a single settlement and went 72-O in trials.
Oh, Mr. Terse "I'm trying to control the car ?" He was 5 payments behind. Hmmm. Doug

[450xdirt]

Yeah I heard the 911 tape with him saying "trying to control the car"... Yeah right, you can't take ONE hand off of the wheel and put it in neutral or turn the car off? I mean he was on a CA highway, smooth and flat no pot holes, no pedestrians, no parked cars, etc. I'm glad the cops read through his BS. They should fine him for endangering the public, speeding, and throw him in jail for a while.

[Asmith]

I mean he was on a CA highway, smooth and flat no pot holes, no pedestrians, no parked cars, etc.

Don't drive much in California???

[450xdirt]

I mean he was on a CA highway, smooth and flat no pot holes, no pedestrians, no parked cars, etc.

Don't drive much in California???

No thank God. Been to the state 3 times and that is about three times too many.

My point about the CA highways is that your highways are beautiful and look like race tracks. Its not like he was driving down a mountain pass with snow and icy conditions, or driving through a neighborhood with people walking around and other obstacles.

Besides I think the guy was doing 80-90mph, dosen't everyone there drive that fast?

In my opinion, he clearly planned this stunt and should have to pay a price, and not just his late payments.

[124]

I'll bet that the Toyota "issue" is a fairy tale, maybe the first one had a freak floormat/accelerator problem with the rest of them money seekers and hysteria stricken missing links.
The latest moron on a 911 tape ignored the operators suggestion to duh stupid, put it in neutral. She repeats it and through gritted teeth says "I'm trying to control the car". BS.
These people don't understand neutral ? How about brakes ? How about the freakin' ignition switch?
I think it's all a lie, just like it was with Audi in the 80's. a horrible ,unthinkable event occured where a woman accidentally mashed the accelerator and killed a toddler, just unthinkable. She told the cops what happened. Next day after speaking to an attorney she changed her story and said "the car did it".
The following weeks suddenly had Audi 5000's lunging about indiscriminatly, mowing over innocent pedestriand and causing napalm like incinerations left and right. BUNK.
It was never,ever duplicated and was a lie. The pathological liars even flirted with saying Accords were doing it too. Audi 5000 (I bought one,great car )sales tanked.
To their credit big time Audi never made a single settlement and went 72-O in trials.
Oh, Mr. Terse "I'm trying to control the car ?" He was 5 payments behind. Hmmm. Doug

Anyone outside of the auto industry misses one important FACT. Every auto maker and almost every supplier has an issue arise during design or after implementation into production. The question is and this is what is most crucial: Did they get caught?

The bottomline is at any given time, the auto companies are engaged in civil suits and legal turmoil 24/7. The media grabs bits and pieces that were large enough to make a story.

Did Toyota has an accelerator design flaw? - you bet they did.
Did Toyota try to contain the issue when it first started receiving warranty claims? - you bet they did.
Did they get caught because the issue was large enough for the media to catch wind? - you bet they did.
Does Toyota have a dozen other open issues that could be a problem if it is not contained? - you bet they do!!

It's no fairy tale Doug. I'm one of the "fire-fighters" in my company and I live this stuff much of every day.

[mikey526]

[Asmith]

I'll bet that the Toyota "issue" is a fairy tale, maybe the first one had a freak floormat/accelerator problem with the rest of them money seekers and hysteria stricken missing links.
The latest moron on a 911 tape ignored the operators suggestion to duh stupid, put it in neutral. She repeats it and through gritted teeth says "I'm trying to control the car". BS.
These people don't understand neutral ? How about brakes ? How about the freakin' ignition switch?
I think it's all a lie, just like it was with Audi in the 80's. a horrible ,unthinkable event occured where a woman accidentally mashed the accelerator and killed a toddler, just unthinkable. She told the cops what happened. Next day after speaking to an attorney she changed her story and said "the car did it".
The following weeks suddenly had Audi 5000's lunging about indiscriminatly, mowing over innocent pedestriand and causing napalm like incinerations left and right. BUNK.
It was never,ever duplicated and was a lie. The pathological liars even flirted with saying Accords were doing it too. Audi 5000 (I bought one,great car )sales tanked.
To their credit big time Audi never made a single settlement and went 72-O in trials.
Oh, Mr. Terse "I'm trying to control the car ?" He was 5 payments behind. Hmmm. Doug

Anyone outside of the auto industry misses one important FACT. Every auto maker and almost every supplier has an issue arise during design or after implementation into production. The question is and this is what is most crucial: Did they get caught?

The bottomline is at any given time, the auto companies are engaged in civil suits and legal turmoil 24/7. The media grabs bits and pieces that were large enough to make a story.

Did Toyota has an accelerator design flaw? - you bet they did.
Did Toyota try to contain the issue when it first started receiving warranty claims? - you bet they did.
Did they get caught because the issue was large enough for the media to catch wind? - you bet they did.
Does Toyota have a dozen other open issues that could be a problem if it is not contained? - you bet they do!!

It's no fairy tale Doug. I'm one of the "fire-fighters" in my company and I live this stuff much of every day.

Not to mention the fact that since this administration has nationalized 2 of the big three, they now have a vested interest in embarrassing the one foreign automaker that has taken the title of the world's largest automaker from GM.

The fact that they were able to hide it for so long is due to the fact that Toyota's two main lobbyists used to be in NHTSA's management.

[redrooster65]

I am with you Doug.

With all the technology we have today we don’t have a single event recorded with a data logger?

Once it gets going in the press it is hard to stop. I now have people coming to my Honda dealership stating the same thing is happening, it crazy. I sent them home with an onboard recording device so they can record all engine management data when it happens. If they ever get me any data I bet we see either both accelerator and brake at the same time or just the accelerator.

I think the issue here is very similar to the Audi 5000 of day past, because of the position of the pedals people were hitting the wrong one.

124 you make some good points as well. Is there a problem....yes. Is it as big as its been made out to be? I don’t think so, but that’s just my opinion.

It all smells like a witch hunt and I think it is going to backfire on the administration.

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It's no fairy tale Doug. I'm one of the "fire-fighters" in my company and I live this stuff much of every day.

I was looking forward to what you had to say on that 124, thank you. If I was suddenly..okay, say I bought Suzuki or whatever, brought back Pontiac... I'd hire your butt .
I still smell major BS, just because so many have acted so incredibly thick, plus the usual law suit happy types like the 5 payments behind Mr."I'm trying to control the car" liar.

because of the position of the pedals people were hitting the wrong one

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Good point, I was already used to Euro cars when I bought my 5000 and even in automatics the brake pedals were smaller and closer to the accelerator than domestic brands.
Maybe there were /are some very isolated case or cases and then the copy cat types started the BS.
Regardless it'll be found or dupicated because if it's not I'm not buying it. All of a sudden we have all this unintended acceleration where there was rarely before, mileage from 3200 to 146,000 ? I don't know.

I now have people coming to my Honda dealership stating the same thing is happening, it crazy. I sent them home with an onboard recording device so they car record all engine management data when it happens. If they ever get me any data I bet we see either both accelerator and brake at the same time or just the accelerator

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Good Lord, just like the 80's where the Accord was targeted by the lemmings. How DO you put up with the morons without losing your mind ? You work in service ?
One of my best buddies does at a snooty Benz/Volvo dealership and said the only times in all these years he'd seen it was mechanical stuff like dirty carbs,carb plates,the flapper on fuel injection intakes, floor mats fouling accelerator linkage, etc.
He also said (I'm not claiming a hair of expertise here)that the fuel injection controls and many engine management things are made by companies that sell that sort of things to a lot of other brands.Like bikes I guess with NipponDenso, etc.
The idea of our corrupt Federal "leadership" and his corrupt cronies having something to do with it ? Wouldn't doubt it a bit, at least encouraging the hysteria driven publicity.
I'd take my chances like this : If Toyota knows they are innocent I'd say "I'll pay you a million dollars to settle right now. If you pass a Polygraph given by an FBI certified examiner. Fail ? We're suing you ." Doug

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I for one sure hope that Toyota doesn't settle any of these BS claims... If that jack-ass has enough time to call 911... Then I think he has time to hit the brake, or put it in neutral... I'm with you Doug. BS all the way!!

[124]

I do completely agree on one thing: a person is smart, but people are dumb. Sheep, they'll believe most of what they read or hear on TV. Allowing their brain to be taken over by the hysterical media pushing fear about everything.

"Apples are bad for you. Don't eat fruit anymore." Maybe we could get that "truth" out there so I can lower my grocery bill! Man, oranges are getting pricey...

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a person is smart, but people are dumb. Sheep, they'll believe most of what they read or hear on TV.

That's so awesome, awesome because it's so true.
Sometimes I'll call them Lemmings, whatever the herd mentality of the moment is they'll follow it.
Yup.
Apples are bad for us.Wrong.
Eggs are bad for us.Wrong.
Butter is bad for us.Wrong.
Oat Bran decreases the risk of Bowel cancer. Wrong.
Those are just a few examples of things the morons in media spread, that the sheep bought into, that were proven wildly inaccurate.
My favorite was when media outlets were releasing the big news that scientists had discovered a link during autopsies between aluminum and variants of stainless steel in the brains of those who died of Alzheimers disease, "obviously" due to pots,pans,forks and spoons.
Hysteria stricken yuppies were tossing out everything in their kitchens.
It was the dissecting tools.They run them through mechanical sharpeners. Being used on a dead persons organs they weren't sweating cleaning them thoroughly. Doug
It all makes me want to eat a steak this morning.With three eggs over easy. And hash browns covered in melted cheese.Oh yeah.
I miss cigarettes.Creeps were right on that one.
Hey, I've got a rowing machine. Doug

[redrooster65]

Yes I am in the trade Doug. It is usually a fun and rewarding job, taking care of people and helping them solve there problems. But then the occasional person comes in and makes you want to ram there car into a wall. They basically don’t want to take responsibility for anything that is wrong and won’t listen to any logic.

like your solution, too bad it wouldn’t fly in today’s world.

[nminus1]

My toyota accelerates constantly...because my foot is stuck thru the floor on the gas! I drive that little 105 hp bastard like its stolen, probably the best car I have ever bought for the money. I dont know about the grandma's who keep plowing thru store front windows but that arseclown swinger dooshbag who was on tv is full of schitt. I hope they arrest his dumb arse.

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From what I'm reading it's looking more and more like the whole thing is a lot of hot air, mixed with mass hysteria and people looking for a payday.
The latest was one who a couple weeks who coming down her drive , on a pretty good hill. The car picked then to lunge savagely across the road into a retaining wall.
This one before the air bags went off showed only the accelerator being applied yet being lifted .25 sec before impact. The brakes were never at anytime applied.
I'm sure the first one or two maybe hooked on a floormat or something. To believe that the mechanical spring on the air intakes failed, then went back to working normally, the fuel injection failed at the same time then went back to working normally, then the brakes ceased registering being applied simultaneously yet , what do you know, they too restored themselves to normal too ?
All these things happened at once ?

Doug