[JAWS]

Jimdirt I suggest you back to A1 and rerun that footage if you think Reed took Stewart out. I don't want to argue about it, just review the tape. Nuff said.
Joe

[usmc88fan]

Hell, I'm a moron, and even I can see how Stewart plowed like a tractor all by his little old self. Funny as hell to watch as a matter of fact!!

[Asmith]

Reed most certainly took Stewart out. No question about that.

Was it Reed's fault? No.

Was it a missed shift by Stewart? Most likely.

It wouldn't even be close in the points race right now if Stewart was able to restart his bike and finish.

That DNF is the ONLY thing that kept it close. Without that, Reed would be far behind in the points race.

[JimDirt]

Thank You AS , that is what i meant , i'm not saying Stewart doesnt make mistakes , i'm saying Reed had time(as he is supposed to be a pro) to stay to the right(outside of corner) , but he intentionally went to the left and slammed right into Stewart , just as in Toronto

As far as Daytona , Stewarts bike setup was too soft , as said by all the commentators , and anyone that sets a bike up for a rough track would know you set it softer for a rough track to give the bike some deflection when hitting ruts and absorbing everything , but Stewarts riding style necessitates his front to be stiff and the rear soft ,which is also how you set up a bike for sand , which is what the track was , that is why so many riders were having problems , that is why he fought the Yamaha so much before , they were setting up the bike for what a "normal" rider would need , then when they finally figured it out Stewart was faster than crap and no one could touch him , then they changed the setup to accomodate the rough track at Daytona and the way Stewart runs hard into the corners , it made his front push(typical for a Yamaha and a KTM when set soft) and with that and the combination of the wet grass at the edge(he was at the inside edge of the track) his front immediately washed out ,also to make the bikes faster to get the holeshot , they spread the front brake pads to give the front wheel less resistance , then they have to pump the brake slightly to get a front brake , when Stewart hit his brake it grabbed ,that is also why a lot of the pros always crash in the first corner , they dont have a front brake right at first ,and the lever goes to the bar , not his fault , it was the setup that caused the wreck since he hasnt had a mechanic that knows what to do specificly for his riding style , since J-Bone(remember as soon as he left Stewart started having a lot of crashes that wouldnt have normally happened , other than due to improper setup , that is what took his knee out , it was poor setup)

I am not saying Stewart is perfect , but it was his bike setup that has caused his latest wrecks , not skill level nor nube moves , i seriously doubt any one of us could even remotely attempt some of the daring moves he makes to win and pull them off , nor could 99% of the pro's , Stewart is what the sport is about , along with the others past and present i had mentioned in prior posts , Reed simply is not , he is strictly about himself , that is why he is no longer with San Manual , i know as i heard it directly from the people that are around him at every race !

Just my opinion , not trying to start a fight , just saying what i know about bike setups , and what i remember from my days of racing back in the day and what i know about current racing , the track i ride on is sand , and i know what it takes to get around it fast and without going down and its 90% setup , and i know what i see , and what i saw was setup issues , every time i watch him ride i can tell if he is going to have issues , and Indy and Daytona , were setup issues ..One of the past Top Amature and Intermediate New York riders was sitting there watching it with me ,he has raced with Dowd and countless other pros and knows the difference between rider fubs and setup fubs and he said the same thing right when i did ! it was setup not a nube move..

Stewarts riding style requres a specific setup and when its even slightly off , it costs him , and that is exactly what happened , i am not a paid expert nor do i claim to be , but i have been around the sport since the 70's and can tell when someone is fighting setup issues and when they just ride over their head !!

Well now my neck is knotted up and i now have my second migrain for the day , i am going to take a Ibuprofen and lay down!! man i wish i could have my surgery already , i get too worked up then get knotted up , this sucks !!....I need to ride off my aggression and i cant !

[CRF230RiPPER]

....Well the last racer to win a 450 supercross main as an active lites rider was JOHN DOWD!

That was really cool to hear, cause hes from CT.He can be seen almost every weekend at southwick with his kids. He raced last year as a 41 year old rider at southwick!...In fact he got a really good start and was hangin for a little while with the young boys.

Everyone has their favorite Rider and its obvious lots of people don't like Reed and I agree to some extent that James would be way out front if he didn't have the DNF. That beind said, if he had a fuel injected bike during that race he might have been able to finish! hehe

As far as the perfect season stuff...James did that already outdoors, Watching a perfect season in supercross doesn't really thrill me. I'd rather see the battles till Vegas.

As far as bike setups...I'm certainly no expert in that, but EVERYONE knows that if you stab that front brake to hard on a slippery surface like wet grass.....you are gonna wash out, which is EXACTLY what happened to James and Carmichael called it.

I can;t wait to ride my agressions out either.

[JAWS]

As and Jimdirt, you guys are nuts, You do not run your front tire into someone to "take them out". Did the crash caused by Stewart "take him out?" yes it did. I say again, roll the tape and bother to listen to what both riders agreed on in later interviews. Jimdirt, I don't know if you race, or have ever raced, but you cannot sit there and honestly state that Reed should have avoided because he is a professional. Neither of those guys did what happened intentionally. That's racing. I don't care who you like and don't like.
Joe

[JimDirt]

As a PRO he is very capable of making split second decisions to avoid another rider which is my point , most intermediate riders can , i know I can , and yes i raced for a few years and did pretty well , and i was just started back to racing when i started having problems with my neck

He had plenty of time to avoid the altercation , and he could have easily stayed to the right and avoided Stewart completely and challenged him , , but he crossed the track to get right behind Stewart , since a challenge would mean racing with Stewart not being directly behind him, how is he suposed to go faster than him if he is directly behind him , i believe physics will stop his forward momentum since he cant go faster than what is directly in front of him , it is a impossible feat at best ( or he was just a nice guy like everyone claims , and he just wanted to follow Stewart to take advantage of Stewarts excellent use of line choice and was just planning on following him around within inches , and didnt expect Stewart to slow down ),

He chose the easier method , which he seems to repeat from time to time , and yes slamming a rider in the rear wheel will take them out , if done from a slight angle , it will throw the bike off balance creating a highside , sometimes it takes out the aggressor , but that is usually from a direct rear hit ,*hmmmm direct rear hit , and both riders fall hmmmm* as it stops the front tire of the guy in the rear that hits the rider in the front , and i have taken someone out that way , so i know it can be done , i ended up breaking a friends ankle because of it ,i didnt realize it would make him wreck when it happened , was just trying to bump him ,to get him riled up but his bike leaned over , waaay over real fast , and that was that , so i have never done it since , but i know it can be done very easily !

[JimDirt]

I just was watching the race , and Millsaps did the EXACT same thing in heat 1, in the exact same spot , except he didnt go down as quick since he put his foot down , also Stewarts bike was Waay stiffer in the first heat than it was in the main , and he rode just fine , i still cant figure out why they softened it up !

[dlpmx]

I would have to say that when racing that hard and not wanting to give up any ground to Stewart Chad was on the gas hard.He was expecting Stewart to also be on the gas hard to get away.When Stewart missed the shift there was not time to miss him.It takes 1/4 second for your brain to process,Then the time to react,then the time for the bike to react.Did Chad hit him?Yes,Was it his fault?No.Was it Stewart's fault?No,it was a mistake,The thing all racers look for when following someone.If you stay back at a safe distance when they do make a mistake you'll never get by before they recover.

It seems like when Stewart doesn't win his fans have to blame Reed.What about when Stewart enters the track without looking and takes out other riders?I don't hear his fans blaming the other rider.

Yes I am not a Stewart fan.He is a very good rider.Very talented.He and his father made some comments one time and it just turned me off of supporting him.(as if he cares)

Dale

[JAWS]

So true Dale. Reed isn't an angel, but neither is Bubba. Bubba was going left to block and Reed was going right to avoid and get inside of the next corner. Missed shift and viola! No blame.
Joe

[JimDirt]

I can see this argument will not end as everyone has a view on what happened or should have happened !............Sooooooooooooooo , its time to move on to the next race , i know i am not changing my mind , and i doubt anyone else will change theirs . so there is no point in getting worked up over it , it won't change the outcome of the race !

[Asmith]

:roll:

I can see this argument will not end as everyone has a view on what happened or should have happened !............Sooooooooooooooo , its time to move on to the next race , i know i am not changing my mind , and i doubt anyone else will change theirs . so there is no point in getting worked up over it , it won't change the outcome of the race !

LMAO!!! I quit 8 posts ago...

[lightflight]

Everyone see this? kinda interesting...

http://amasupercross.com/ViewPost.aspx?postId=166

[mikey526]

Everyone see this? kinda interesting...

http://amasupercross.com/ViewPost.aspx?postId=166

Davi: I saw Jason in the lead and was like, "wow, everyone must have crashed.."