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YucTown44



Joined: 27 Mar 2012
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Location: Yucaipa, CA

2004 Honda CRF450R

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:22 pm    Post subject: Water pump seal removal Reply with quote

How do I take out the water pump seal on my 04 CRF450R?
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lightflight



Joined: 31 Dec 1969
Posts: 549
Location: So Cal

2005 Honda CRF450R

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a how to with pics.

http://crfsonly.com/howto/450r/water-pump/honda-crf450r-water-pump-rebuild.php
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lightflight



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2005 Honda CRF450R

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also water pump rebuild kit if needed.

http://www.crfsonly.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/3651

If you are just replacing the seals and find that the shaft is worn make sure you replace it otherwise you will need new seals again soon.
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YucTown44



Joined: 27 Mar 2012
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2004 Honda CRF450R

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright thanks! It was just rebuilt a yr ago, but it seems to be overheating more and more frequently. Mostly on rides where we're doing slow climbing stuff with rhinos
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YucTown44



Joined: 27 Mar 2012
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2004 Honda CRF450R

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just let it run til it overheat... Nothing came out of the weep hole. So the seals are good right? What does this mean?
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Back2-2



Joined: 04 Jan 2011
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are not getting wetness out of the weep hole the ceramic disc / seal is good. If your radiator fluid is not going down and trans fluid going up the inner oil seal is good.
It sounds like you are not getting enough air flow to keep cool due to the slower speeds.
My riding Buddy talks highly of the water wetter type products. Don't remember which one he uses ?
He swears it's the real-deal - Might give that a try.
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YucTown44



Joined: 27 Mar 2012
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2004 Honda CRF450R

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back2-2 wrote:
If you are not getting wetness out of the weep hole the ceramic disc / seal is good. If your radiator fluid is not going down and trans fluid going up the inner oil seal is good.
It sounds like you are not getting enough air flow to keep cool due to the slower speeds.
My riding Buddy talks highly of the water wetter type products. Don't remember which one he uses ?
He swears it's the real-deal - Might give that a try.


Alright thanks I'll give it a try. Its definitely fine when I'm riding at high speeds, but I've got a race coming up and don't want to chance it
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RLPII



Joined: 24 Nov 2007
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Location: Arizona

2005 Honda CRF450X

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back2-2 wrote:
If you are not getting wetness out of the weep hole the ceramic disc / seal is good. If your radiator fluid is not going down and trans fluid going up the inner oil seal is good.
It sounds like you are not getting enough air flow to keep cool due to the slower speeds.
My riding Buddy talks highly of the water wetter type products. Don't remember which one he uses ?
He swears it's the real-deal - Might give that a try.


Engine Ice works for my 05 450X, since changing it, has never overheated.
Hope this helps....
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YucTown44



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2004 Honda CRF450R

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya used to use engine ice, but when I had my water pump rebuilt the guy put maxima coolanol in it. I just talked to my buddies mechanic and he suggested ziptie because thats what they use in their race bikes. As well as switching to a 1.88 rad cap.
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fbr



Joined: 05 Apr 2007
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Location: Cameron Park, CA

2007 Honda CRF250R

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After removing the seal on the impeller side, I can see that the bore between the two seals is not concentric. There is a longer radius near the weep hole giving the bore a shape like a cam lobe on a cam shaft. Is this machined OEM or wear and tear?[/img]
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Back2-2



Joined: 04 Jan 2011
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I understand you correctly - you are describing the hole in the case remaining after the seals & pump shaft have been removed from the side case. That is just the OEM hole for the shaft to go through. The seals take care of centering the shaft and the hole in the case is a backing / shelf for the inner seal surface to seat on.
It is a cast aluminum part, the hole is not required to be perfect. the shaft does not touch any of the surface of hte hole. I would not think it would be grossly out of round ? The inner seats where the seal rides should apear to be milled nice and flat.

Hope that helps ?
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